I can see a few updates coming quickly as we spot mistakes and typos and as people come up with obvious omissions, and then slowing down as it becomes bigger questions about play testing! Next thing to start on is the Legion book, which we've been plugging through.
Ian - might be easier to discuss at HATE in person or on a skype or something?
Ben! Yup, could totally go through this at HATE. Though, if you have time, the advantage of bullet-pointing things here (other than just straight typos) is that al least it becomes a discussion point.
Do you think you would make Paragon Blades deal 1d6 damage on a to wound roll of 6? That would bring back some of their flavor. Maybe it would only work on Infantry?
Yeah, as Grifftofer said, this was one of our early 'is there an equivalent in 40k' decisions. Maybe, as he said, we should get all the actual mistakes out of the way first and then revisit things like this once everyone has had a change to playtest it. It's the choice we've ended up having to make loads while writing this - the difference between saying 'Praetors need an option for a really cool sword - what really cool sword can people take in 8ed?' and saying 'we need to replicate this specific effect in 8ed'.
Here is some initial feedback.
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Woohoo! Loads of notes! Thanks! Immediate responses here, but pending seeing what everyone else thinks!
Nuncio voxes - it was easier to just grab the MoO rule, but I understand it's not got anything to represent the DS bonus. As you say, if you reduce the DS range in any way you then have to write more to make sure people don't charge - is this overcomplicated. Not sure...?
Orbital Assault - good ideas here. Dreadclaws aren't included in the initial point as they're already Dedicated Transports, whereas the other Drop Pods have rules stopping you from taking them without this Rite.
Praetor save - I think this might be because in 8ed, characters with an Iron Halo and Terminator Armour get a bonus invulnerable save - not sure though - might be a typo!!
Contemptor Talons - good point!
Fury of the Legion - good point!!
Seeker squad - I see your point but I think this needs play testing - not sure how rare the ability to target Characters should be? We should add this to the Foreword question list!
Rad missiles - does this make them very similar to the Phosphex rules which, to be fair, we had to invent?? If anyone has better suggestions for what the Phosphex and Rad rules should be we're all ears!! The other option I had was using the rules from Mechanicum Phosphor weapons for Phosphex which, while different from 7ed, would at least set them apart.
Graviton weapons - I see your point - it would be lovely to see another FW unit with a Graviton weapon just so we can confirm what the rule is!
Volkite weapons - volkite does exist in 40k so we used the rules unchanged (Damage 2 as far as we can tell). Again, I'm wary of changing things that are published, but if everyone wants to then lets do it...
To be honest, i dibt think an ally chart is needed.
Traitor and Loyalist is good enough? 8th no ally rules to add granularity.
Copy and paste error on the apothecary still referring to primus medicae.
So, at the moment, each detachment is limited to one <Legion> (like 7ed) but your allies could be different Legions. Without writing a ton of new rules, one way I could see the Ally chart functioning is as a Command Point modifier. So, instead of a bunch of rules which don't exist in 8ed, we could just have a chart that means that, say, Space Wolves Primary and Dark Angels Allied means -1CP.
I love what you have done, I may try and convince some peeps to give them a try.
One thing I noticed, I think artificer armor is a bit redundant now with the way wound allocation works and the lack of challenges.
Yeah, I wasn't sure if we should bother including it, it's just such a big part of a lot of people's 30k armies! You still pick which model to allocate wounds to, so there is still a use for it as a method of absorbing hits - the save modifiers mean it just isn't nearly as good as it used to be (which is probably for the best).